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Ratskunk


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Moritz Grossmann: love versus hate death-match. Mon, 12 March 2018 09:57 Go to next message

I recently had the pleasure of seeing the Moritz Grossmann BENU tourbillon and took an instant disliking to the minutes indicator between the seconds and hours sub-dials—I like the timepiece overall but the unnecessary (at least to me) distraction is UGGH! Comments appreciated.


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Walter Kross


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Yep. Agree. Spot On. :)) Mon, 12 March 2018 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message



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Paul Delury


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Such watches lose me at the open dial. Mon, 12 March 2018 10:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message



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mbohannon


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Well... Mon, 12 March 2018 10:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message

Since they just received a European patent for the feature, and one of the near constant complaints on open dial watches is the difficulty of precisely reading the time, I find it a relatively simple solution to that perceived problem. If that's not a problem for you, then it would clearly be a distraction.

Doesn't bother me. Admittedly, I'd be fine with a "stealth" tourbillon on the back of the watch, but most tourbillons are visible on the front of the watch...


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Ratskunk


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The Patek Philippe 10 days "stealth" tourbillon. Mon, 12 March 2018 10:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message




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+1 Mon, 12 March 2018 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message



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Paul Bloemen


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I have no use for such a hole in the dial Mon, 12 March 2018 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message

What doesn't help with this brand is the choice of stupid names for their watches. Benu, when choosing such a name, it shows a total lack of fantasy, it shows some kind of disrespect of the customer too. So, no to this watch, and the brand.

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Ed Hahn


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Agree... Mon, 12 March 2018 11:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message

...two crimes against design do not cancel each other out!

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Beautiful! Mon, 12 March 2018 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message

But if you're not Patek Philippe, do you "need" to have the tourbillon visible on the front of the watch? I've seen others on the back of the watch, but they certainly seem to be the exception.

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Marlowe


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I suspect people who buy these, Mon, 12 March 2018 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message

want look at the tourbillon and the fact the minute track is missing is not so important. It looks a 'cleaner' dial without. It's a clever idea however. Good for them.

A bit like one of those electric devices that help you core an apple in one go. You never thought you needed it until you saw it.


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Bart001


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Stealth? It says it right there on the dial. Mon, 12 March 2018 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message

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Ratskunk


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I forgot about the Roger Smith Flying Tourbillon. Mon, 12 March 2018 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message




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yardbird


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Re: Moritz Grossmann: love versus hate death-match. Mon, 12 March 2018 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message

I identify more with the version with the spectacles.

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heartman


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That is a tourbillon I woud go for. Mon, 12 March 2018 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message

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Smaug


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Hate 'em both. Rather pay off my mortgage. Mon, 12 March 2018 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message



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chiniebwoy


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I'm with you on this. Much nicer without the indicator. Mon, 12 March 2018 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message

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Michael Schott


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Your version is so. much. better! Mon, 12 March 2018 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message

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Levy03


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wow! Mon, 12 March 2018 19:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message

i usually don't agree with your "i hate this tiny detail on the dial" but you're spot on this time. that's a huge wart dead center!

ya don't have to go home sir....you just can't stay here.

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destrodan


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Regarding the hole in the dial: Folks once felt the same way ... Mon, 12 March 2018 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message

... about the gaudiness of show-it-off transparent casebacks. Including here at TZ.

I personally prefer no hole in the dial of the watch, and I'm old school as I prefer solid casebacks too.

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Paul Delury


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For me it's not a matter of gaudiness, but of design...> Tue, 13 March 2018 00:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message

...and whether people like display backs or not they don't impinge on the design as seen from the front.

I feel that having a hole in a dial to show off a feature such as this is poor, unimaginative, lazy design and rarely does a watch any favours. Of course, I understand it from a marketing standpoint but that doesn't affect my opinion on design.



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Paul Delury


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The marketing department would not be silenced :-) Tue, 13 March 2018 02:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message



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Marlowe


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In general I don't like skeletonised or dials with Tue, 13 March 2018 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message

holes. Transparent case backs I believe became a must, in the early phase of the mechanical revival. Some people had never owned such a watch or had forgotten about them so this was a way to prove that it was all there. I say this because in the pre-quartz era I don't recall any watch with a transparent case back. Not a single one.
(one explanation maybe they didn't have hard sapphire crystals then, but why show off what was in every other watch anyway?)

I would hope that manufacturers/assemblers are more confident nowadays (or should be) and don't need to prove their competence so obviously.

(Although many years ago I did have a transparent Monogram V-8 kit. That was really cool).


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Jim85


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Re: Hate 'em both. Rather pay off my mortgage. Tue, 13 March 2018 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message

Great comparison.

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Ratskunk


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Common ground :) Tue, 13 March 2018 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message



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Re: Moritz Grossmann: love versus hate death-match. Tue, 13 March 2018 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message

I agree with the removal of the central part, but I like the tourbillon on the front. I take pleasure in looking at the watch. Watching the tourbillon in action would only add to my enjoyment. Than being said, I have yet to own one.

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Ratskunk


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I like the "tourbillon hole" at the 6 o'clock but not at the 12 o'clock. Tue, 13 March 2018 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message

Maybe because I'm accustomed to a sub-seconds dial I more-or-less like the "hole" at the 6 o'clock but not at the 12 o'clock—the tourbillon at the 12 o'clock more often than not looks hideous to me.



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RogerL


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I prefer the term "appreciation portal" to "hole". :-) Tue, 13 March 2018 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message

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MartyTaylor


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Re: Moritz Grossmann: love versus hate death-match. Tue, 13 March 2018 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message

agree - clean on the left is much better

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Ratskunk


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What about: "Window into the soul of horology"? Tue, 13 March 2018 18:20 Go to previous message



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