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doraemon


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vintage cadettle 1191 Tue, 06 March 2018 00:58 Go to next message

Hi,

Have this for approx 20 years, so not a recent acquisition.
Just like to have opinions from forum members to see if it is ok.
Have read past posts saying that Breitling did not sign bridge until mid 40s.
Believe this is made in 1951.




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acsfan


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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Tue, 06 March 2018 08:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message

The fact that it has 'France' on the balance cock would indicate to me the movement is out of a Wakmann which also used the WOG Swiss import code.

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doraemon


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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Tue, 06 March 2018 10:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message

Thanks for your comment.
So does it mean that the movement is not original to the watch?

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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Wed, 07 March 2018 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message

Correct. A pic of the back showing serial number and reference number will help determine the date of manufacture and also originality.

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doraemon


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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Wed, 07 March 2018 19:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message

Thanks.
Did post 4 photos incl caseback but not showing properly.
Tried to fix that and hope it is working.
Please take a look. Your comments appreciated.

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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Thu, 08 March 2018 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message

doraemon wrote on Wed, 07 March 2018 18:30
Thanks.

Did post 4 photos incl caseback but not showing properly.

Tried to fix that and hope it is working.

Please take a look. Your comments appreciated.


Still can only see the front shot and movement pics.

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doraemon


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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Thu, 08 March 2018 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message

these were showing in chrome, opera but not firefox



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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Fri, 09 March 2018 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message

It does date to 1951 so wouldn't have a signed crown but would almost certainly have a signed bridge. My thought is it's a Wakmann movement that someone switched the Wakmann bridge for a plain bridge since the correct Breitling bridge would be very tough to find. I only found one back like that and it was pretty much the same but had Breiling in script in the center. Yours might be just earlier. If it doesn't say Wakmann inside the back cover the case is probably ok.

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doraemon


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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Fri, 09 March 2018 20:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message

The back cover is not signed.

A member who seems to have knowledge on vintage pieces in another breitling forum said (not to me)

"I've seen the 1188 and 1189's without anything printed on the bridge and with Cadette printed on the bridge so I think either way is probably ok. Often the 1188's and 1189's don't even say Cadette on the dial. They made a bunch of the 11xx watches so they are constantly popping up in various stages of modification or configuration."

It seems that Brietling started signing the bridge on the more expensive watches first.
So I am not so worried about the bridge.
As for the "France" signature, do they only appear on wakmann watches, but not on Breitling watches?
The 11xx were relatively cheap when they first came out, perhaps Breitling simply used existing parts to assemble them.
Let me do a search on the movements used in those 11xx...

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Re: vintage cadettle 1191 Sat, 10 March 2018 04:03 Go to previous message

To acsfan,
Think your comments were likely correct.
Thanks for your input.

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